AA in Cyberspace - Now

John P.
Presented June 30, 2000
(Transcribed from tape.  He spoke without a written  presentation)

My name's John. I'm an alcoholic and sober as a member of the AA class of 1980. I just got my 20 year chip this month, for which a lot of people are very grateful, and I most of all.

I am kind of an old-timer on the Internet. In 1968 I was working at the Rand Corporation, doing some research for the Department of Defense. The guys down the hall in Computer Sciences were sending computer output down to the telephone exchange in Santa Monica and back and comparing it with the data they sent across the room. It was kind of messed up when it came back from the telephone system. We have found other ways of messing it up since then... Two years later, in 1970, we had coast-to-coast hookup. There was already a network, 30 years ago, but there were only 18 computers on it and they didn't really talk to each other. What we had was little computers sitting by the big ones, called "imps," and they talked to each other about their "daddy" computers and that was the best we could do at that time.

From that 18, today we have about 70 million computers online, and that's a lot.

I just came back from a face-to-face meeting of my online group, thanks to Doug and Laura who got Lamplighters together for a face-to-face meeting. We also had a bunch that met at the 1995 San Diego meeting. It seems that whenever an AA member puts a computer online, the first thing he does is to try and find other AA members.  We think the first contacts between AA members were around 1986. There are more experts on that subject in this room than anywhere else you could find, and some may know an earlier date, but I think it was around there.

By July of 1991, thanks to a couple of pioneers, they started to have regular email meetings on Genie.   That was Lamplighters, the first group, which as Jim mentioned has been the largest group as well as the oldest group, followed closely by MOMS.  How many Meeting of  Minds members do we have out here? (Hands show)

It started in Scotland and is almost as old as Lamplighters. It's been meeting on the air 24 hours a day,seven days a week ever since then, serving Alcoholics Anonymous members who wanted to meet for one reason or another.

Other than that little piece of history,  I want to talk about diversity, the number of different kinds of groups, the many different kinds of members who participate, and some of the problems that we are having. Diversity... there are all kinds of groups now, large and small. Some groups break off when they have more than 40.  Some are huge.  I don't know what size Lamplighters is now, around 500-600, I think, but somebody here probably knows. There are now meetings in English, Spanish,

Portuguese, French, German, Danish and perhaps a couple of other languages now.  There are men's meetings, women's meetings, young people. Gay meetings. When I did the annual inventory, trying to find all the groups on the Internet, which I have done every year for about the last 5 years or so, I found a group named GLBTYPAA, which stands for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transsexual Young People of Alcoholics Anonymous and they're on the Internet! I didn't stop in for a visit, because I'm not qualified as a young person.

Some of the meetings are Big Book Meetings, some are step meetings, some discourage off topic discussion, some discourage cross talk, some encourage cross talk, some encourage thread discussion. You may have seen discussions of such things as recovered versus recovering, or should you use medications if you are an AA member; things like that. Some of them have a full list of officers, GSR, Intergroup Reps.,

For those who are not aware of it, the Online Intergroup of AA formed after the last International Convention,  growing out of the Living Cyber Committee that put up the Hospitality Room.

Incidentally, there is a hospitality room again here in Minneapolis for onliners, it's on the 5th floor of the Hyatt Regency. If you haven't visited, get over there and say hello to your online friends , face to face there.

Some meetings are just social gatherings, apparently. Some of them provide representatives to the Intergroup, some don't. Some of them contribute to GSO, some of them contribute to the Intergroup, some don't. There's a new online group that I really enjoy called AA History Buffs. It's just a terrific meeting that has been covering a lot of AA history and I have learned a lot of things that I didn't know.

As far as who participates nowadays in these things, some of our friends without computers think that the only people who do this are some kind of computer geeks, but there are all kinds of people participating. Most of them are regular AA members who go to lots of face-to-face meetings. That's the bulk of most of the members of email meetings. There's also a large number who cannot participate in ordinary, face-to-face, traditional AA meetings.

Most of us who grew up in those traditional meetings, imagine that everybody who's a drunk can go to those meetings.  Not true!

Let me give you some categories of people that can't just go down to the church basement... There are the homebound, including those who are bed-ridden,... there are those with mobility impairments who can't move around very well and can't get to the meeting. There are a lot of members who can't hear well.

There's a large number of members who are caregivers and can't leave people in their care who are too young, too old or too ill and the caregivers can't find a substitute who can cover for them. There are shift workers,including shift workers in places where there are only 1 or 2 meetings and those meet while they are working.   They can't do it. Probably at some time, some of you here may have fallen into one of those categories. There are remotely located people. Once on Lamplighters, we had a guy that was on an oilrig off the coast of China.  At the same time,  we had one at the North Pole and one at the South Pole. Some one wisecracked that it was a bi-polar group...

But there are also remotely located people in the United States, in a small town where perhaps there is no meeting, or there is only one little meeting and it meets once a week. Maybe they want more AA than that. Well, if they are hooked up to a computer, they can get it. And finally, there are a few agoraphobics, people with social anxiety that are afraid to go out of the house or afraid to go out in public very much.

Now all of these don't sound like much when you just read it off in a list like that, but if you add up the potential numbers of them altogether, we're talking about between 1 and 2 million alcoholics. That's about as many people as we have currently in the membership of the entire North American AA, somewhere in that range. So there are a lot of people that could be served by online AA,even more than there are now. At the present we have about 150 groups, give or take, and about 6,000 people participating. Every time you say a number it suddenly gets bigger. By the time you count it again, it's bigger.

There's a lot of people that have special needs that are getting a lot out of online AA. I saw a letter the other day and I brought it along, just because it puts a personal touch on that statistic. This one was from a chap who's hard of hearing. It says;

"I'm still sober but my sobriety was in grave danger a few years ago as my hearing decreased. I found less and less value in meetings. Finally, when I could no longer hear the speaker at all, I left. For 2 years I did without meetings, trying to stay sober on literature alone. At last I realized it wasn't working all that well. True, I had not picked up a drink but I was starting to feel and think like an active alkie. It was only a matter of time until the booze re-appeared. I had to do something, but what?

Enter online AA and an email group, one of the more than 100 online groups around the world (there are more now). I found the AA that I had been missing. In fact, it's even better than the meetings in church basements I used to attend. All of the love, help, advice, pertinent comments, impertinent comments and sense of humor as well were available to me everyday. In the old days, I used to go to 1 maybe 2 meetings a week. Now I make 7 to 14 meetings per week right here at my desk. I love these people and they in turn love me. I have stayed sober the last 3 of my 17 years of sobriety just because of their help."

I think that's a powerful message. People who are from the deaf group participate in online AA without anyone even knowing that they have a disability. Our last Chairman, Rick, of the Online Intergroup is hard of hearing. And nobody even knew that until he had finished his term and he told us. Our present Chairman, is Werner here? Our present Chairman   is a German citizen. It doesn't make any difference, Germany is 2 seconds further away from the meeting.

There are some problems. One of the problems that we've had is

organizational. I've spent a lot of time and some others have spent a lot of time, trying to find a place for the online groups in the general service structure and it won't work, it doesn't fit. When our forefathers in AA put together the general service structure, they, I think unconsciously, did it geographically. We don't think about that often but it's true. The areas line

up with the state and provincial lines of the United States and Canada, here in the US and Canada. Cyberspace doesn't line up that way. There isn't any point that you can say you're in this district or you're in this area. So we haven't been able to really put together a general service structure up to now for online AA groups. It will come. A lot of people are working on it.

What will probably happen is something growing out of the Online Intergroup or associated with it in some way, will transform itself into some kind of service structure. There is already a good bit of service going on, there are a lot of committees, lot of useful work, lot of helpful work.

Sometimes I think the excessive anonymity that we have in online AA is a problem because people are able to say things online that they probably wouldn't say face to face. That's a problem for us and it's working itself out over time I think. So we still have some arguments and some shootouts and some flames and some threads that you get tired of, and things of that sort. But all in all, the online AA experience is turning out to be a great way to do AA. If there are problems, there are solutions.

Most of the problems are not technical. Most of the problems are problems of drunks acting like drunks. And I think it's all going to work well.  Any problems we have left are being worked out rapidly.

That's all I have.

Thank you.